Texas Iron
5:23 Sun Dec 18
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Soft Pen...but Huddlestone was,all over Antonio...grabbing shorts leg with one hand...getting his feet in etc...
Can see why it was,awarded...Glad it was...
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Baggins
5:16 Sun Dec 18
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SoA - I think that is far too open to abuse. Coaches would use it to waste time or take momentum out of a team's pressure when their side is under the cosh.
The nature of football doesn't lend itself very well to the use of TV replays. I've yet to hear of a system that doesn't have serious flaws.
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Balto
5:16 Sun Dec 18
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I also think the ref. was trying to even things up because moments before the penalty was given Antonio went on a 50 yard run and was cynically brought down just outside the penalty area.
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Son of Anarchy
5:06 Sun Dec 18
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I think an NFL style coaches challenge would be ok, 1 per game.
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HairyHammer
4:28 Sun Dec 18
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For me it was a 100% dive having watched it many many times but am I going to get annoyed with my own player for doing some acting am i Fuck, it is not a nice thing to do but every single club has divers sometimes it will go for you sometimes against I am not for it and dislike it, but have accepted that the ref is the judge and that is the way it goes.
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Chip Shop Charlie
4:23 Sun Dec 18
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madeeasy 4:13
You could be on to something there.
It won't stop the game but the diver and his team get punished.
I like it.
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madeeasy
4:13 Sun Dec 18
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Retrospective 5 game ban. Start it on boxing day and diving would be done with by the new year.
So simple to sort.
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Baggins
1:58 Sun Dec 18
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As Last Gasp has mentioned, the use of video replays has been trialled at the World Club Cup and has caused more controversy than it's solved.
It's also taken them three or four minutes to make the decision. I'm all fir the use of technology but video replays won't solve the issues and could cause more problems. It will also ruin the game if it takes five minutes for a ref to make a decision.
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Infidel
1:57 Sun Dec 18
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It was a penalty.
It wasn't a soft penalty or a dodgy penalty or a lucky penalty. The ref got it 100% correct, and I would have said the same if it had been against us.
What makes it a penalty is Huddlestone's attempt to impede Antonio by using his hands. That is a clear breach of Law 12.
FIFA also issues a book called "Guidelines for Referees" which advises them on how to interpret the Laws of the Game. With regard to holding it states:
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Holding an opponent
Holding an opponent includes the act of preventing him from moving past or around using the hands, the arms or the body.
Referees are reminded to make an early intervention and to deal firmly with holding offences especially inside the penalty area at corner kicks and free
kicks.
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It could not be clearer. Huddlestone had his hands all over Antonio in the penalty area in an attempt to impede him. Penalty. Simple.
The question of whether or not Antonio dived or was tripped is irrelevant. The penalty was justified by Huddlestone's use of his hands alone.
I can't be 100% certain but I think the ref would have given the penalty even if Antonio had stayed on his feet.
I guess there's a separate discussion to be had about whether Antonio should have had a yellow for diving but it would not affect the penalty decision (the first offence determines the ref's decision).
Personally I think a yellow would have been a bit harsh on Antonio but I can see how some would argue that it would have been justified..
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Alex V
1:40 Sun Dec 18
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Fifth Column 1:10 Sun Dec 18
Reid knows how to take a dive in the opposition box - he is very good at it imo. There was no great angle or close-up of the penalty shout vs Burnley but I have my suspicions. But as I said I just don't care - there's lots of stuff happens every match that could be interpreted as dives, and as this thread shows everyone has their own opinion on each one. I don't think it can be stopped, it's a part of the game and has been for a long time.
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Last Gasp
1:34 Sun Dec 18
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Anybody see this the other day?
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10696665/controversial-debut-for-video-referee-in-club-world-cup-semi-final-in-japan
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Huffers
1:19 Sun Dec 18
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If we get as much good luck this season as we had bad luck last season then we will be playing Astra again very soon.
I do agree though but it will obviously be something that comes in during a close-season so fuck it for the rest of this year. We need to pull away.
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jack flash
1:13 Sun Dec 18
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I thought Antonio made a bit of a meal of it & dived, many referees wouldn't have given it
But then again it wasn't me being grabbed by the bollocks by Huddlestone!
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Fifth Column
1:10 Sun Dec 18
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There was holding on Antonio and he lost balance. He threw himself down dramatically and the ref gave it. Not a dive as if there was no touch.
But Burnley? It was Reid and it was a stonewall penalty.
So what are you talking about you melt? Have to conclude you're on a wind up.
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David L
1:09 Sun Dec 18
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http://www.footytube.com/video/west-ham-united-hull-city-dec17-465947?ref=tchan_ov_vidgrid
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CanningTownWA
1:09 Sun Dec 18
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I posted this on the match thread it was never a dive and it was not a soft penalty either the ref had a good view and saw what I saw in the replay
"Everyone is talking about Huddlestons hand but they did not notice it was his foot taking Antonio out on the ankle. Thats why he went down so quick, he was making the turn and his weight was on that foot."
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Sven Roeder
1:01 Sun Dec 18
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Exactly
Both pens this week were not genuine attempts to play the ball
Red
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Full Claret Jacket
12:56 Sun Dec 18
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It wasn't a dive, there was contact but there wasn't sufficient contact to warrant a penalty. People like Michael Owen will say he is ENTITLED to go down but I hate this view that football is non contact.
Very soft penalty but not a dive.
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Vexed
12:56 Sun Dec 18
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Just watched it again. It was a pen.
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gph
12:51 Sun Dec 18
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That was a penalty because the foul stopped the shot.
Whether it was sufficient to make Antonio fall over is irrelevant.
Snodgrass the other week was what you're after if you're looking for a penalty cheated out of the ref.
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Mad Dog
12:46 Sun Dec 18
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I'd feel bad about this if we hadn't been on the receiving end of shit decisions for the past year.
All the crap last season's and players not being sent off against us earlier this season.
Also hull dived blatantly last week so I don't feel that sorry for them.
I don't usually condone diving or "he felt a touch he's entitled to go down"
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